thahappycamper
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that is true for the okanagen people
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Hunnie, noooooooooooooooooo! haha
The subjects are ages 18-25. I thought people, who follow marijuana studies, already know that marijuana DOES effect a premature brain. A human brain isn't fully developed until 25, so the research is age-selective.
The article seems politically motivated. Besides, it's not the actual research. Sources are from news sites. Does this mean the author didn't even use the actual research article to support her argument? Hmmm, I'm skeptical.
Right here, Hunnie. I did a quick Google.
http://www.northwestern.edu/newscen...inked-to-brain-abnormalities-in-students.html
It's not the actual research, but it's from NW University and there are important quotes from the dude who completed the research - Hans Brieter - something Natalia Sanchez failed to include, maybe because she wanted to prove her points. He even said
Is he implying it's safe for someone 30+ to use marijuana? Oh, and is he saying it's okay for someone to use marijuana if they're terminally ill and/or need it for pain relief? That line sounded like implications. Then again, we should never assume.
Breiter probably intentionally omitted the science of brain development, which is probably, in my opinion, is one of the most important info. I'm guessing the dude is getting paid well, too. Check out the bottom of the article and look at how many funding sources were given by the National Institute on Drug Abuse.
The titles of these 2 articles are misleading. I don't know the actual research title, but it's gotta be something like, "Marijuana Smoking Causes Damage to the Brain When Not Fully Developed." Anything otherwise would just smell propaganda.
Oyyyy, my brain hurts. I'll be back on tomorrow in the PM if you would like some clarification on what I found
http://www.northwestern.edu/newscen...inked-to-brain-abnormalities-in-students.html
It's not the actual research, but it's from NW University and there are important quotes from the dude who completed the research - Hans Brieter - something Natalia Sanchez failed to include, maybe because she wanted to prove her points. He even said
Is he implying it's safe for someone 30+ to use marijuana? Oh, and is he saying it's okay for someone to use marijuana if they're terminally ill and/or need it for pain relief? That line sounded like implications. Then again, we should never assume.
Breiter probably intentionally omitted the science of brain development, which is probably, in my opinion, is one of the most important info. I'm guessing the dude is getting paid well, too. Check out the bottom of the article and look at how many funding sources were given by the National Institute on Drug Abuse.
The titles of these 2 articles are misleading. I don't know the actual research title, but it's gotta be something like, "Marijuana Smoking Causes Damage to the Brain When Not Fully Developed." Anything otherwise would just smell propaganda.
Oyyyy, my brain hurts. I'll be back on tomorrow in the PM if you would like some clarification on what I found
Their studies were on those age group because those are popular common age group that smoke pot. After reading several other articles, the percentage of older people doing pots were too little for most specialists to bother doing a studies on.
But in this 2013 article, it shows that older people smoking marijuana are on the rise. Cases of them older people who does smoke it, does end up going to the emergency room. It doesn't matter what age group you are, the marijuana still affect your brain and cause all those side effect once you're under the influence. The research isn't to prove if marijuana will kill you, but to issue an awareness that it will affect your brain once under the influence.
These are very real concerns, noted Weiss of the National Institute of Drug Abuse. She said that the negative effects of marijuana can be even stronger in older users compared to younger smokers: "For somebody who is older, the effects may be the same but the baseline is different." Though Weiss admits there isn't a large body of research on marijuana use in this demographic, she said that one still could speculate on the effects based on what is already known about the drug.
Cognitive Impairment: "We do know that marijuana affects short-term memory: that's what makes it hard to remember what you just did or what you just said," Weiss explained. "Those effects tend to last during the period of intoxication and then they go away in someone who uses the drug occasionally. For somebody who uses the drug regularly, the effects can last beyond the point of intoxication, so they may be compromised the next day, or maybe the next two days. If you have somebody who is older to begin with and they have some impaired cognitive functioning, it’s possible that marijuana would be even more distrubtive to them.
"As you get older, you metabolize drugs more slowly so they can stay in your system a lot longer," Weiss said. "It’s another reason why it’s impairing effects on memory might last longer than in someone who is young."
Increased Heart Rate, Rate Of Breathing And Blood Pressure: Marijuana is known to cause all of these symptoms -- which could be problematic for some older marijuana users who may have impaired cardiac functioning, Weiss said. "There does seem to be an increased risk for heart attack after the first half hour of smoking marijuana."
Medicine Interactions: Marijuana may not interact well with prescriptions you're already taking, which is more of a worry for older users than younger ones, Weiss said. "They could be taking drugs like Valium, which could also affect their memory, their thinking and their coordination, so you could also have an increased risk of falls and accidents." Medicines that do not interact well with marijuana include barbiturates, Ambien and Ativan.
Marijuana Is A LOT Stronger These Days: "The potency of marijuana has gone up a lot since the 1980s. It used to be 2-3 percent THC -- the active ingredient in marijuana that gets people high and causes [side effects]," Weiss said. "Now the average THC in marijuana is 9-10 percent. That means people can be exposed to higher doses than they’re used to, and one thing we know about exposure to high doses [is that it] can be linked to feelings of paranoia and anxiety and even acute psychosis."
Addiction: Though there are varying viewpoints as to whether or not marijuana is addictive, Weiss said there is an increase in adults seeking treatment for marijuana abuse. (The Drug Policy Alliance has stated that this increase does not reflect actual clinical dependence on the drug.)
No matter what, if you're going to smoke up -- whether freely enjoying your states' new law or taking illicit tokes at home -- do it safely.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/07/marijuana-use-in-adults-recreational_n_2200463.html
thahappycamper
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It's just one study from one guy - however it is thought-provoking. I knew believe had some sense in him to hehe.
Anyways, I am giving up weed for good - that article scared me straight. Thanks for ruining it for me Hunnie.
Anyways, I am giving up weed for good - that article scared me straight. Thanks for ruining it for me Hunnie.
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It's not the actual article but I was able to pull up the actual article in less then 1 minute. The author wrote in the article where the research was pulled from. I figured Happy would be able to pull up the same actual research from the University with no problem if he wanted to read additional information.
It seems like to me, that you don't believe that older people's brain won't get effected when under the influence because their brain are stronger then younger adults or what not?
I don't get it. People with a brain will all get effected no matter what age range you will be and that's a fact I'm willing to put out there. There's no way my dad will still feel sane after smoking pot. He won't feel happy, high, etc. like all the younger adults, then why would he even bother smoking it? It will triggers any brain cell and cause all those goodies effect including the bad ones.
thahappycamper
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But let me just say where I stand on Pot smoking - it's not one of the world's problem. It's doesn't cause war and it doesn't cause social inequities. It's literally been around for thousands and thousands of years and people have been smoking pot since the dawn of civilization for recreation and medical purposes. It's not the root of all evil - if we care so much about people and shit, why don't we attack the real problem? Money - we should illegalize money.
There's so many problems in this world - yet I don't understand how people can sit there and demonize pot to be a problem in society when there's so many problems in society that actually do cause harm - people in the govt that are incredibly evil and greedy.
Seriously, if we had "pot day" and everybody stop what they are doing just for one day and smoke a joint, wouldn't we have achieve world peace even though just for one day.
It's really at the bottom of the totem pole. Let's stop jailing people over a plant, seriously.
There's so many problems in this world - yet I don't understand how people can sit there and demonize pot to be a problem in society when there's so many problems in society that actually do cause harm - people in the govt that are incredibly evil and greedy.
Seriously, if we had "pot day" and everybody stop what they are doing just for one day and smoke a joint, wouldn't we have achieve world peace even though just for one day.
It's really at the bottom of the totem pole. Let's stop jailing people over a plant, seriously.
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I'm not targeting pot. You ask for what and why I don't believe it should be legalize. Because I felt that we had enough to deal with as you mentioned. And we clearly knows that you are above the age group studies so you know that pot does put an effect on your brain when you smoke it. You get the high feeling and everything else that a younger adults get from smoking it. It's not like drinking water and your brain is still in the same state of mind, is it?
Marijuana isn't a concern now, but we all can't prove that it won't be a problem later when it is smoked world wide. A cop that pull up a marijuana smoker can't give him ticket or jailed him? So what does that mean, that person under the influence will go on driving with that impairment. Result in that can be anything afterward.
Banning money, then how do we exchange for things we want? It'll be a chaos trying to give that lady my bed just to have her gold necklace or something. We carry cash cause it's a token of value that is easily portable as we shop in the mall. Due to robbery, they figured out the system of using credit card where you need a pin to use it and its cancelable if you were robbed. We are not going to debate about money too, are we? Because that will just get no where.
Like I said, when the newspaper start addressing the issue of marijuana causing death and threat to other innocent people, I will look at the people that debate with me otherwise in the past.
It's okay to smoke it and like it, that is your business. There are people who beats their wife and that is okay if she doesn't press charges. Doesn't mean it's right to do it. Everything has conclusion and some people just likes having it tame and I just happen to be one of them.
My dad smoke tobacco, even though it's legal I don't want him smoking it. He's still alive, but living with health problem due to it.
He's older now and he is taking the step to stop smoking. He been smoking for a very long time. Now I barely sees him touch a cigarette. With his health poor, it finally hit him to stop. But the long term effect or short term is witness by the smoker, other people just put in suggestion, the decision is still up to the smoker.
He's older now and he is taking the step to stop smoking. He been smoking for a very long time. Now I barely sees him touch a cigarette. With his health poor, it finally hit him to stop. But the long term effect or short term is witness by the smoker, other people just put in suggestion, the decision is still up to the smoker.
You know what? Good job on finding the actual article. Would you be so kind to show it? I couldn't find it if my life depended on it last night hah.
I'll just reply to you what you wrote. I hope I respond to all of the points you've made. I'll try to go in sequence, too. If not, please let me know. I'll be more than happy to dish out my viewpoints.
In regards to the reasoning behind the subjects selected for the study, I find it very strange, especially when the researchers intentionally chose to neglect those over 25 to participate. I understand it's their research and they can choose whoever they want. So if that is the case, then the article you showed should be a little more clear on which group of people they are targeting in the title. For example, if I wrote a paper and entitle it "Asians are best in kickboxing," and in my article, I'm strictly discussing about Khmers and Thais--not other Asians--then I am misleading people. The way I see it is that some writers put up a broad title or something offensive/controversial in attempts to pull a wider range of audience. This is what happened in Natalia Sanchez's article, in which I found it rubbish and bias-driven. Like I said, the sources she got from were Fox News, USA Today, Boston Globe, and wow their own site, Guardian Liberty Voice, as a reference. This tells me that Sanchez (like me) never read the article - plain and simple.
In your second paragraph, you mentioned that older people are smoking marijuana now. What is the culprit of this trend? As far as I know, I feel like older people are more likely to be conservatives and totally against marijuana. But why did they turn to marijuana? What's the outburst all about? Is it because they want to live like true hippies back in the 70's? Are the "bad" guys influencing them? This particular research tells you that marijuana doesn't kill you but the purpose was to bring awareness about. Yes, I agree that it brings awareness, and there is nothing wrong with it. In addition, this article doesn't mention marijuana as a killer drug. Why? Because it doesn't kill! Making such assumption would be a huge blow to their credibility, because there is not one conclusive evidence that it kills people.
Cognitive Impairment. Weiss quoted how marijuana impairs the short-term memory. It has already been established decades ago that marijuana causes this affect. And basically, what Weiss said is that this problem is temporary, but she worded it slightly different. As she explained it, those who do it regularly are more likely to experience marijuana intoxication longer periods than those who do it occasionally. This is almost common knowledge to those who are marijuana users, friends of marijuana users, and yes those who are interested learning more about this drug.
As far as the metabolism quote, it's already a given. She didn't even have to mention it. It's like me telling you that I'm older and if we would to go eat the same amount of food at Korean BBQ, then you are more likely to "bot jung tom" than me, because you are younger and your metabolism is likely stronger. You can also say that males and females' metabolisms differs, but we're not on that subject right now. So, I'm saying, Weiss only spoke of the temporary damages, how about long-term?
Increased Heart Rate, Rate of Breathing and Blood Pressure. I think this is another misleading sub-topic, because she was referring to those with impaired cardiac functioning. Of course, one must be attentive on what drug they put in their mouths, nose, veins, or whatever. I personally tell a person with heart problems to eat saturated fatty foods, because it would likely cause a heart attack. Should we ban these foods then? For real, people should use their brains before doing any kind of drug, prescription and non-prescription. For instance, an impotent man, who suffers from a heart condition, begs his doctor to prescribe him Cialis because he wants to sex his hot wifey. Does he know what he's getting into? The dude could die while having sex. Who wants to go away with this story - "John Doe died because he fucked his wife using Cialis/Viagra." I mean, he probably died happy, but it's quite embarrassing to die like that haha.
Medical Interactions. Sister, the first thing your doctor ask you is what you are taking. I'm thinking the reason is because they don't want to get sued if they prescribe you a drug that negatively interacts with the current drugs you're taking. And of course, the other reason why they want to know is because they would like to examine your health status with the prescription drugs you're taking. Same thing with marijuana, it's like any prescribed drug, including alcohol. They interact! I think it's how our body responds to combinations of foods.
Marijuana is a lot Stronger These Days. Yes, this is correct. It is much, much more potent than the 70's and 80's. I can imagine it is a lot stronger than when the American Indians smoked it back then before this country was colonized. Advances in agriculture throughout the years paved way for better plant cultivation. Hell, coffee beans are more stronger today because I think we earthlings are arguably smarter now than our ancestors. It's not a mystery, so I agree with this comment.
When Weiss spoke about how exposure to high doses can be linked to feelings of paranoia and anxiety and even acute psychosis, I am thinking - of course! Have you tried drinking up a bottle of Dimetapp? I"ve never done it haha. What do you think would happened after taking it? Crazy shit is gonna help to you. Now, this is an over-the-counter drug that anyone can purchase! Shocking, huh? Please do everything in moderation.
Addiction. I personally think addiction is a touchy area to dive into. We can go on and on about it and practically get nowhere in our debate. I just think that some people with addictive personalities are more likely to be addicted to marijuana. Is this bad? Yes, of course. Sex addiction is also bad, too. However, there are plenty of people out there who possess stronger traits in this area. Have you heard of people being able to stop drinking alcohol cold turkey and was able to do it without any issues? I believe these stories because I know people who drink a lot, and after they've made a decision to change their lives, they stopped abruptly without needing any treatment whatsoever while others experience withdrawals and need detoxification. I think it's a combination of their will and their biological makeup that made them successful in quitting.
thahappycamper
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Thanks for this, Believe. I hope your essay can shed some light to people who know absolutely nothing about marijuana excepts what is being said by anti-marijuana groups.
Oh man, I think I'm gonna spend all evening responding to you haha.
I'll be clear on what my replies were all about. I never said that I didn't believe that older people, while under the influence, are exempted from some kind of brain alterations. I saw this NY Road Rage thread growing to 5 pages. I read your statements as well as Camper's. I obviously saw Natalia Sanchez's article and I was appalled with her writing. Utter bullshit if you ask me. I see it more like an editorial.
And to support how much you hate marijuana, and it has not yet mentioned thus far, I believe that marijuana hinders brain growth and some times permanently damage an underdeveloped brain. I think younger people should avoid this drug at all cost. Then again, one could also say the same for a lot of other legal drugs and how it causes permanent damage to a young person. I remember reading some findings on this topic. So, Hans Breiter isn't the first to have discovered this problem.
I think there's a reason why Camper mention it. I think he's looking at the bigger picture. Why is marijuana such a bad drug when you see legal drugs that can fuck you up even more?
thahappycamper
Level 3
thahappycamper
Level 3
I'll answer that for you bro. A brain-damaged terrorist.
Thanks, man.
Just to let both you and Hunnie know, I am not taking nobody's side on this subject. I am simply expressing my feelings about marijuana and what I've come across. I can also provide references if any of you wish. I just hope that people are well-informed of the facts rather than what they hear on TV, newspaper, and media as a whole. Propaganda is rampant in this country, and those who hold office in here are quite nifty with their words - the ability to spill out bullshit to people with minimal information laid out on the table. I love America as much as I love Cambodia. I'm not hating on any of these countries, I'm just pointing out the discrepancies. Know what I mean?
thahappycamper
Level 3
Been trying to tell H that, but you just said it a lot better, thanks buddy. I do agree with that article though, I don' want to touch the stuff anymore. But it should be legalize for those who still choose to partake. Your writing is incredible, I bow down to you.
HAHA, I like your sarcasm. In my short stint here, it seems like yall are good people, or at least display some good intentions. This is why I'm not as brutal with my words as I was on KC. Besides, I hate debating. I only like to debate when people talk shit about my Khmer people. Boy, I get all crazy with that shit. Profanity and name calling is also included HAHA
I read both of yall's comments and I agree with both of yall points to a certain extent.
And, no man. Don't be like that. No bowing down or anything like that. No one is lower or higher than the other person to his/her left or right. You guys have already gotten my respect. I've never really been involved in a forum with like minds. Maybe it's because we're Cambodians and we actually care about stuff in life? HAHA
Hmm, as amazing as it sounds, you are just giving me your input towards what the articles is saying. But it isn't a fact to prove against it. You didn't source your finding against it as I have to pulled off article for Happy. Since he insists on sources, not opinion or personal beliefs.
I was giving Happy the reasoning why I don't believe marijuana should be legalize, and as mentioned in all my previous post, I didn't said that marijuana will kill you since that is long term research. We don't know if your life span is cut short because of marijuana, because none of us has that answer beforehand if you can live til 60 or 80 years of age. So to point it to any substance you use, isn't valid to do so.
I warned that the debate will get no where with Happy, but he insist that I give my viewpoint. Marijuana is a sensitive issue to many people and there's always a two sided beliefs on it. For me to want to use a drug to help me forget, I'm not sold. That's just one thing I got from a one hour video. Marijuana just isn't something I'm interested in talking about. If you bring up shopping, I would be hype up on it.
The drugs mess with your mind, whether its short term or long term, it trigger something up there. If not for serious illness, why smoke it? I felt that Happy is a very capable guy that can handle any situation strike at him without marijuana.